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Comment display rating threshold Feature Requests
By fluffy grue , Section Wishlist []
Posted on Sun Jun 30, 2002 at 12:00:00 PM PST
I know that this has been requested many times in the past, but let me request it once more. It has become painfully obvious to me that there is, frankly, a lot of crap on certain Scoop sites now, and it'd be really nice to be able to opt out of it.

Slash has had this simple feature for as long as it's had moderation. Why is Scoop still lacking in that regard?

It'd be a lot easier for people to not get emotional over crap comments if they were able to simply not see it.
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I agree (none / 0) (#1)
by hurstdog on Mon Jul 01, 2002 at 04:19:50 PM PST

I'll see who I can cajole into doing it ;)



-hurstdog


Implementation details (none / 0) (#2)
by fluffy grue on Mon Jul 01, 2002 at 07:16:31 PM PST

IMO, this is how it should work: the user has a default threshold value which they can set in their comment preferences; this should be done as a text field, not a dropdown, so that people can choose to see, say, 3.25 or greater. This value can be overridden by the following things:
  • Choosing a different threshold in the per-page comment display options
  • Directly viewing a comment (which will pick the default threshold or the comment's threshold, whichever is lower; this means that trusted users could still review hidden comments without changing their display settings, for example)
Of course, like in Slash, it should probably give an indicator of the number of comments below the threshold and give a link to the same page with threshold set to their minimum.

This probably wouldn't need much modification, really, since there's already the code for filtering out comments < 1.0 for non-trusted users; the only addition would be the display of the number of hidden comments. Though even then, it could be argued that the whole point to filtering out low-rated comments is that you don't want to see them, and so perhaps the fact there's hidden comments shouldn't even be advertised. (Then you also wouldn't have to deal with special cases involving trusted/non-trusted users.)
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Alternate control (none / 0) (#3)
by Kyle on Wed Jul 03, 2002 at 06:49:39 PM PST

Back when I still used Slashdot, I would always look at the comment threshhold with an eye to how many comments I wanted to read at the time. If I only wanted to spend time on about 20 comments, I'd set the threshhold at whatever level was closest to that.

Rather than set a scoring limit, I'd like to set a limit of how many comments to show. Given that, plus the "sort" options, I can have the "n best" for different values of "best." For instance, I could say "Ignore Ratings" and "Newest First" at a threshhold of 20 to get the 20 newest comments.



Don't like it (5.00 / 1) (#4)
by rusty on Wed Jul 10, 2002 at 12:58:31 AM PST

The fact that Scoop doesn't have this is probably an outgrowth of my not wanting it for K5. It appears that no one else has needed it badly enough to implement it yet, either. But I don't like the idea, and I very much doubt it would be used on K5 even if it were available in Scoop.

See, here's the thing. Thresholds are all about personalization. Most of Scoop's design is about collaboration. This seems like a tiny thing, probably, but it really is a conflict of core values. Personalization features seem like a fine idea, but they subtly promote the idea that you are not part of a larger community. That is, if you don't like the community's decision, you can simply overrule it for yourself. Sounds harmless, but when everyone does it, than there no longer is any community.

The same philosophy is why I've managed to turn aside the intermittent calls for an open rejected-stories page for so long. Basically, I think community enforcement of standards absolutely rests on the idea that everyone has to live with what is decided. If enough people say a comment stays visible, it stays visible for everyone. As soon as most people can hide what they personally don't like, that ethos falls apart, and the site becomes a collection of individuals, rather than a true community.

I know it sounds melodramatic, but I truly think a rating threshold would be disastrous. It would lead to more crap, not less, as those who really care, like yourself, simply walled themselves off. Eventually, most of you would get sick of the steadily increasng numbers of comments below your threshold (which stay because the people who care don't see them, and grow because the negative pressure against posting them is gone) and one by one, you'd head off to the next site willing to go through the same mistake-cycle.

This may or may not be an appropriate discussion for scoop.k5, as I'm not at all opposed to including the feature in Scoop, as long as someone wants to write it. But I doubt it will ever appear on K5, which seems to be more what you're concerned about. But hell, I assume people reading this are interested in community social issues, so argue away. :-)



eryrwc4 (none / 0) (#7)
by brg8 on Tue May 27, 2008 at 11:07:11 AM PST

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